And I don’t mean that because he was a bad client. He didn’t meet it, but the way that those words are so charged, that’s what they used. Anybody can look up the definition of an active shooter from the FBI, law enforcement. They referred to him, and I talked about it as an active shooter. Grosskreutz and some of the other people had let Kyle go to the police, there would only be one one individual dead. What does Kyle want the families of the men he killed to know about how this all played out? Because he repeatedly talked about he had no choice, but clearly there’s just. Mark, what did the surviving victim recent days that watching Kyle testify basically looked like a kid who caught doing something wrong. What was the first thing that Kyle Rittenhouse told you after the verdict? And those were things that the state wanted to kind of hang their hat on so they could argue he couldn’t be there, he couldn’t own the gun. And obviously once the evidence came in, the judge threw the charge. If you read the statue correctly, he was legal in having that firearm. And we knew from the beginning that if you read that statute correctly… I know everybody thought I was crazy. There was so much anger and so much fear in Kenosha on August 25th that people did arm themselves. I personally don’t like people carrying AR-15s around. But in your opinion, what do you think this verdict says about the second murder? We don’t have to do it.Īnd you said going into this trial you didn’t want this to be about cause. And our research after it, it would’ve been the subject of a huge motion. And that program that they used and the expert from the crime lab specifically says on the company’s blog, “Artificial intelligent enhancements are not to be used for forensic evidence,” and they did it. You don’t expect everything in a trial, ever. That’s what they built their whole case on with that garbage photo. It did not start with the part that they showed at the beginning. The video that was on Tucker Carlson’s show started right when Rosenbaum threw the bag. We’ve talked to Fox News, we’ve talked to Tucker Carlson’s show. And then they’re saying, “Well, his first lawyer had it because it was on Tucker Carlson.” John Pierce never had that video. We let it in.” We agreed to let it in because we saw the quality we were given and the jury couldn’t see anything. But they kept saying, “We stipulated to it. I’m thankful we’re never going to have to litigate the issue regarding the drone video. They knew they were lying and that’s garbage. And in their police reports said, “We know you’re lying.” I can’t ask that question when they’re on the witness stand of the detective, because one witness can’t comment on another. And they were willing to put those guys on detective Howard and detective Antaramian had both interviewed him. And you’re playing with an 18 year old kid’s life. As I said in my closing argument, I’m not going to… It’s not a game. And when they put on the Khindri brothers knowing that they were lying, that is a problem. Corey was a prosecutor and I never went after somebody like they did. Mark, you looked visibly frustrated with the prosecution multiple times. And we, as time went on, were afraid that there would be some horse trading in the jury room. Kyle was questioned on lesser includeds because he has to be, but that wasn’t our wish. I know it’s been reported that we asked for lesser includeds, we objected to all lesser includeds. They never asked to rewatch the videos beyond those five questions. They submitted five questions over that whole time. They were just working through the issues. We had no information that they ever fought. I’ve never seen a jury… And I don’t mean this as a slight to them. And there was talk today about whether they were going to deliberate on Saturday. And I had Tuesday at 4:30, so I was way wrong. I expected… We kind of picked amongst ourselves, our wives, our friends, my associates in the building. ![]() Can you walk me through your range of emotions? Looking back on all that time waiting nearly 27 hours to this afternoon. ![]() That you didn’t know what the heck was going on in that jury room. Mark, throughout the week you said… I caught you in between court and you said… ![]() I told him when I first met him, when he was in custody, that if he was looking for somebody to go off on a crusade, I wasn’t his lawyer. As well? Is That what Kyle wants or does he…? And the only thing that ended up mattering to me was whether he was found not guilty or not. And I don’t represent causes, I represent clients. They wanted to use Kyle for a cause, and something that I think was inappropriate. When I took this case, I was hired by the two first lawyers.
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